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Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

i like both of them but which one do you think is more powerful? my opinion is Cleveland but i dont know....cleaveland has more guns but mogami has bigger guns

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

Both are very cool, however Mogami is much stronger that Cleveland. Cleveland is best light cruiser in this game (it can easy beat any other light cruiser), but still isn't a enemy for heavy cruisers. Especially when facing that, Mogami is best heavy cruiser in this game (Takao is similar). Cleveland has only 8 main guns, while Mogami has 10 main guns. A battle between Mogami and Cleveland is usually interesting, but you need a lot of skill and lucky to beat Mogami using CLeveland.

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

Hmm... look on my "Who Would Win?" thread... I'll officially assess this match up tomorrow

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

java have more damage than cleveland often example iff we shooting in ca

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

I'll go for the Mogami, as it has more powerfull guns and thicker armor.
Though Clevelend is faster and has more guns, I still think Mogami would usually win (unless he's a big noob ae )

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

yeah mogami does have big guns and quit a lot of them but cleavland has a 2 times more! it has 4x3 152mm guns and 6x2 127mm guns so cleavland has more firepower! damn they should have developed a special gun for cleaveland because its main guns werent very powerful! maybe like a 180mm gun? 200mm gun would have been to big?...damn these two ships are my fav ships in the game!

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

Mogami-class will usually win, since it has bigger guns. It's also important because they have a longer range.

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(unless he's a big noob  )

Of course, that too. I once beat a Mogami-class with an Atlanta-Class ab.

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

Go to the "Who would win" thread.   I took a better look at this match up taking into account the exact ship stats

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

where is the Who would win" thread? id love to look at it if id find it!

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There is, and it's a pretty big thread.

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eddie1111 wrote:

where is the Who would win" thread? id love to look at it if id find it!

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

thx man but too many replies i wont look through all those comment to find whats better mogami or cleavland lol maybe some other time....i already know mogami is better than cleavland...now i dont know exactly how to explain this so you guys would understand but since you guys can play the game online could two of you go in a privet match and once pick a mogami ship and the other pick a cleavland ship and meet up go next to each other side by side and both of you aim at the magazine of the others ship and start firing every gun...so this way it will be a fair match...like this you can exactly have a accurate reading of which ship is better...could anyone do this?

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thx man but too many replies i wont look through all those comment to find whats better mogami or cleavland lol maybe some other time....i already know mogami is better than cleavland...now i dont know exactly how to explain this so you guys would understand but since you guys can play the game online could two of you go in a privet match and once pick a mogami ship and the other pick a cleavland ship and meet up go next to each other side by side and both of you aim at the magazine of the others ship and start firing every gun...so this way it will be a fair match...like this you can exactly have a accurate reading of which ship is better...could anyone do this?

I like this idea! ag

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

eddie, just go to the last page of the Who WOuld Win thread, that's the most recent entry.

Come to think of it, Cleveland versus Tone came up too.  I think I'll do that later also

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Re: Mogami-class vs Cleveland-class cruiser?

For those of you who wish not to go through the pages of Who Would Win, here's the offical comparison I did there:

CLEVELAND CLASS LIGHT CRUISER:

Number built: 27

Crew Size:  1,255 officers and enlisted men

Range:  14,500 Nautical Miles at 15 Knots

Trivia: During construction, some Cleveland class hulls were reordered as Independence class light carriers

Now that the Stats are out of the way, here's the important stuff:

Main Battery: 12 6-Inch guns in a 4 turret by 3 gun arrangement

Secondary Battery: 12 × 5 Inch guns in a 6 turret by 2 gun arrangement

Torpedo Tubes: none

Speed: 32.5 Knots

Armor:

Belt:                           3.25 - 5 Inches
Turret:                         1.5 - 6 Inches
Deck:                                    2 Inches

MOGAMI CLASS CRUISER:

Number built: 4 (Mogami, Mikuma, Suzuya and Kumano)

Crew Size:  850 officers and enlisted men

Range:    8,000 Nautical Miles at 14 Knots

Trivia: These ships were originally built as light cruisers, with a 15 6-inch gun main battery, but they were rediesigned as Heavy Cruisers following the establishment of the Washington Naval Treaty

Now that the Stats are out of the way, here's the important stuff:

Main Battery: 10 8-Inch guns in a 5 turret by 2 gun arrangement

Secondary Battery: none

Torpedo tubes: 12 21-inch torpedo tubes

Speed: 34.5 Knots

Armor:
Belt:                                        3.9 Inches
Turret:                                  0.98 Inches
Deck:                                      1.4 Inches

COMPARISON:

For Main Battery, Mogami Brings 10 8-Inch guns on Cleveland's 12 6-Inch guns.  This category is a draw for two reasons: not only is it the "quantity versus quality" debate, but also there is another factor: Mogami's guns may be heavier, but Cleveland's guns are more evolved, and thus are more advanced (the Mogami class was Pre-war, built between 1931 and 1937, but the Cleveland was Mid-war and even late war, with ships being built between 1941 and 1945)

For secondary battery, Cleveland can fire  8 5-inch/38 caliber guns in a full broadside, but Mogami lacks a secondary battery.  The edge here goes to Cleveland

However, Mogami makes up for this problem by having a broadside of 6 Torpedo tubs (12 total), to Cleveland having none.

For Armor, Cleveland's armor is thicker overall.

For speed, Mogami is 2 knots faster.

TRIVIAMAN'S RULING:

  I'm going to say that there are two possible situations here Mogami is the winner because of it's heavier guns and Torpedos.  The heavier guns do more damage and the torpedos will force Cleveland to maneuvere eratically to avoid them, and in this situation, that would provide fewer opportunities for ideal firing positions.  Then again, Cleveland could be the winner because despite its smaller guns, it has many more guns in a broadside.  On top of that, because it has smaller guns (Which are faster to reload) it can fire more shells in a minute.  So let's do some math.

According to my source, Mogami's 8-inch guns had an average firing rate of 4 shells a minute.  4 shells x 10 guns = 40 shells a minute.  Cleveland's firing rate was 8 shells in a minute for its 6- inch guns and its 5-inch/38 caliber guns were designed to fire as many as 15 rounds in a minute.  However, considereing how fast humans can work, I think 12 would sound more logical for this scenario.  12 shells x 8 guns = 96 shells in a minute for the 5-inch guns.  12 6-inch guns x 8 shells = 96 shells in a minute, so 96 + 96 = 192 shells.  In the same time that Mogami can pump out 40 shells, Clevland can pump out almost 5 times as much.  With that said, it is very much possible that Cleveland can win this by overwhelming Mogami...

That's my ruling, anyone else?

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